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when I catch up with my buddy, the pride of the Pulliam School of Journalism

at Franklin College. This is the second grizzly on the show today. It's Kurt Kavana that

joins us. Now, hello, my friend. I think probably the older of the Grizzlies, but that's okay.

I don't mind being second. You are a bit more grizzled of the two of you. I'll give you that

much. How's the real estate market,

by the way, today? Well, you know, real estate's moving. People just have to be convinced

that interest rates are renting, you rent the interest rate, and then you buy the house. So you

want to get a good house and you worry about that interest rate, you know, later. So Kurt Kavana, real estate mogul, in addition to knowing all things IndyCar for IndyCar.com,

of course, co-host a trackside, which is because the holiday next week is on Wednesday.

What is the real estate like at Mid Ohio coming up this weekend?

Well, what will be interesting is they're talking about some rain this

weekend and rain races are always fun for everyone but uh maybe those sitting under the umbrellas

but it does create different conditions and it's more than just you know how the racing surface is

it is you know strategy and you know, how the racing surface is. It is, you know, strategy and, you know, being how aggressive can you be.

So it's always fun to watch.

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