Yeah, on that question of the stigmata visions, I'm sort of unclear on this. Was the stigmata, like,

like literal wounds, or was it a vision that he had, that he had the wounds? Well, it's a,

it's a vision of the seraphic angel when he was contemplating Christ in his own retreat on Mount Alverna. And then after the

vision he receives, I mean, or during the vision, he receives a physical manifestation of having

spiritually absorbed and connected with, you know, Christ so that it manifested physically into the actual wound.

Of course, you know, these are stories that people will dispute, are they real and all that.

But, I mean, there are testimonies from the time that people believed and that he himself, he tried to keep it a little secret and stuff and suffered under it.

But his close companions, after he had this vision on Mount Alverna, knew that there had been some transformation that had happened, mystically speaking.

And then, you know, there was, like, sort of evidence of the wounds, the stigmata that he still had, you know, to his death, basically.

And that's five wounds.

That's hands, feet, and then a side wound, right?

Exactly.

Exactly.

That's right.

Yeah.

Hello, everybody, and welcome back to Rev Left Radio.

On today's episode, I'm very excited to share with you my conversation with the one and only Adnan Hussein about the life and legacy of St. Francis of Assisi.

St. Francis, many of you probably are at least somewhat aware of him.

You've probably seen a statue of him.

We also have lots of places like San Francisco named after him, numerous churches,

parishes, et cetera. So you'll probably be familiar with the figure, and more than that, you'll

probably know that St. Francis was the patron saint of ecology, and he's often portrayed next to

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