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From W.HY.Y in Philadelphia, I'm Terry Gross with Fresh Air Weekend.

Maybe we were Born to Run. We'll talk with Peter Ames

Carlin, author of a new book about the making of this now classic album. Also, if you have trouble sleeping, you may experience something like this. It was sheer blinding panic. And I'd be staring at the clock and going, oh my God, now I only have five hours to sleep. Now I only have four hours to sleep. Now I only have three. Now I only have two. Now I only have one. Now I have 20 minutes. We'll talk with Jennifer Sr. about her Atlantic article,

Why Can't American Sleep? And David B. and Cooley will review the new season of Wednesday

starring Jenna Ortega.

That's coming up on Fresh Air Weekend.

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This is Fresh Air Weekend.

I'm Terry Gross.

The now classic Bruce Springsteen album Born to Run will have its 50th anniversary, August 25th.

It was a turning point for rock and roll and for Springsteen in his life and in his songwriting. Before he recorded that album, his record label, Columbia, was on the

verge of dropping him because his first two albums were critically acclaimed but had pretty

feeble record sales. The Making of Born to Run is the subject of the new book

Tonight in Jungleland. Jungleland is the title of Born to Run's final track. My guest is the book's

author, Peter Ames Carlin. One of his earlier books is a biography of Springsteen called Bruce.

He's also written books about R.E.M., Brian Wilson, Paul McCartney, and Paul Simon.

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