Hey everyone, so we had our first ever last minute cancellation on offline this week.

It's okay, we're rescheduling, so it's going to be great. But because we needed a guess what we're going to do is we are going to air one of my favorite episodes of offline with the YouTube star known as Contrapoints,

aka Natalie Wynne.

We've talked a lot over the last few weeks

about how the internet has flattened debates, flatten nuance, and complexity, has distorted people's

perceptions of the world around them, has driven people into binary thinking.

Contrapoints on her extremely popular YouTube channel

is the opposite of all that.

She makes these fantastic videos and her goal is to change people's minds, to persuade people.

She is on the political left, but what she's been trying to do with her videos

is to persuade people on the right, particularly people who otherwise would

go down these right-wing rabbit holes online, and her videos are all about that.

She's fascinating.

I'll let her explain it to you because she can do it better than I can.

It was one of our favorite episodes to make is one of my favorite conversations to have so please

enjoy this episode and then we will be back with our regularly scheduled offline next week

It's sort of a face-face interpersonal connection that makes people feel like I don't, you're talking to them on some kind of human level.

And I think for people who, I don't know, majored in economics or philosophy or political science,

this is a little bit infuriating because I think it's really it's really an academic bias that assumes that like a reason is this thing that has this kind of special unique place and democracy whereas I do think that

anyway I mean if you're making campaign videos you're you're tweeting for all

politicians you know that this is not about reason like there has to be some room

for reason right otherwise it has to be some room for reason, right?

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