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Best of Cato Daily Podcast: The Life and Death and Future Life of Fusionism

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4.6949 Ratings

🗓️ 28 May 2025

⏱️ 19 minutes

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Summary

Caleb O. Brown hosted the Cato Daily Podcast for nearly 18 years, producing well over 4000 episodes. He has gone on to head Kentucky’s Bluegrass Institute. This is one among the best episodes produced in his tenure, selected by the host and listeners.


“Fusionism,” something of an ideological nonaggression pact between libertarians and conservatives, has fallen on hard times. Can it be reborn? Stephanie Slade of Reason discusses her new article on the subject.


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0:00.0

This is longtime Cato Daily podcast host, Caleb Brown.

0:02.8

I've moved on to head the Kentucky's Bluegrass Institute,

0:06.0

but I wanted to leave listeners with some favorite episodes over the last nearly 18 years of my hosting tenure.

0:13.3

I tried to pick episodes that are relevant to our current moment.

0:16.7

Thank you for listening.

0:21.1

This is the Cater Daily podcast for Wednesday, February 10th, 2021. I'm Caleb Brown.

0:26.8

Fusionism is in part the notion that libertarian ideas and conservative ideas needn't be at odds,

0:33.1

but getting along might require a clearer understanding of our private and public spheres.

0:39.2

Stephanie Slade at Reason Magazine argues that our understanding of fusionism has changed and, in a sense, degraded over time.

0:46.4

She argues that fusionism, even without the existential threat of communism, has important lessons for us about tolerance and the proper role of government today.

0:55.2

I have to admit that I did not know what fusionism was before about the middle of 2007 when I moved to Washington, D.C.

1:06.2

and learned that there were people who believed in this idea of an alliance, if you will,

1:15.1

between conservatives and libertarians, but before we get too much into the future of fusionism,

1:21.7

let's talk about its past. What was fusionism initially, and how has it come to be misunderstood?

1:30.2

Yeah, I think it's actually pretty widely misunderstood, even among people who are sort of within the D.C., conservative, libertarian, activist, public intellectual bubble.

1:41.9

The story that you often hear here told is one in which fusionism emerged

1:47.3

as an alliance between libertarians and sort of religious traditionalists during the Cold War,

1:53.1

because the Soviet Union was this existential threat, and it was both anti-capitalist and

1:59.8

atheistic and sort of milit you know, militantly so.

2:02.8

And so you had this common foe that brought, again, libertarians and religious traditionalists

2:08.9

together into one tent. And they, you know, they allied with each other and they over the course

2:15.4

of decades, eventually successfully helped to defeat the threat of communism.

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