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Best of 2023: The Sociology of Mask Mandates w/ Ellie Murray

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4.8588 Ratings

🗓️ 28 December 2023

⏱️ 104 minutes

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As we send off 2023, we’re releasing a series of some of our favorite episodes of the year—including some newly unlocked episodes that have previously only been available to patrons. This episode was originally released for Death Panel patrons on October 30th, 2023, and is being unlocked today for the first time. To support the show and help make episodes like this one possible, become a patron at www.patreon.com/deathpanelpod. Original description: Beatrice and Abby speak with epidemiologist Ellie Murray about how the many arguments against masking tend to repeat the same set of misunderstandings about how population health works and who health interventions are for. We also discuss why universal masking is so effective, the issues with dropping mask mandates in healthcare settings in particular, and how dynamics within the field of public health left space open for the social production of the ‘end’ of the pandemic. Find Ellie's study "Lifting Universal Masking in Schools — Covid-19 Incidence among Students and Staff" here: https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMoa2211029 Find our book Health Communism here: www.versobooks.com/books/4081-health-communism Pre-order Jules' new book here: https://www.penguinrandomhouse.com/books/733966/a-short-history-of-trans-misogyny-by-jules-gill-peterson/ Death Panel merch here (patrons get a discount code): www.deathpanel.net/merch As always, support Death Panel at www.patreon.com/deathpanelpod

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0:00.0

Hello, Artie here, and welcome to something new we're trying out, which is our roundup of some of our favorite episodes from the last year, 2023.

0:09.9

So over the holidays, and as this year comes to a close, we're releasing a Best of 2023 series.

0:16.2

This is by no means objective and making plenty of tough decisions to leave a few favorites out,

0:21.3

but also featuring some newly unlocked patron episodes that people have been asking for

0:25.5

for a while. So we'll be releasing one every weekday, and we'll be back with the first

0:30.1

episode of the new year on January 8th. In the meantime, we want to say thank you to all of our patrons.

0:35.3

It means a lot to us that we're entirely independent. We don't do ads or sponsored content and are entirely listener supported,

0:42.3

so your support goes directly to helping us make deeply researched episodes just like the

0:47.2

ones you'll hear this week. And if you're listening to this and you're not a patron,

0:49.9

you can support us at patreon.com slash death panel pod. As always, stay alive another week and see you all

0:56.9

in the new year. Before the pandemic happened, we had clear evidence that yes, masks in health care

1:04.7

settings prevent respiratory transmission. That is something that we know. That is established.

1:10.8

That already exists as a fact. The question, is something that we know. That is established that already exists as a fact.

1:13.2

The question, the thing that we didn't know before the pandemic was do mask mandates work? Do

1:19.4

masks work at scale in the community? And now we know mandates definitely work. And we still don't

1:25.5

necessarily know too much about how does it work when individual people

1:29.7

make individual voices. And yet for some reason, that's where we seem to have landed as

1:33.9

what we're going to do. The one thing that we actually hadn't gotten answered. Welcome to the Deaf Panel.

2:06.2

Patrons, thank you so much for supporting the show.

2:08.6

We couldn't do any of this without you.

2:10.9

And if you'd like to help us out a little bit more, share the show with your friends, post

2:14.8

about your favorite episodes, pick up a copy of Health Communism at your local bookstore, pre-order a copy of Jules' new book coming in January

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