Well, hello and welcome to the Apple Insider Podcast. This is Stephen Robles and joining me this week is William from the UK. Thanks for joining me William.

Thanks Stephen, nice to hear, except why are we doing this on a podcast? Shouldn't we be doing

Zoom conferences like everybody else in the world? Thank you for that easy segue.

Now have you actually been using Zoom? Yes.

Pretty often. A lot. I got some great emails from listeners about some of the topics and

got some feedback about other things. Still looking for a great and secure and complete way to remove

Zoom from a Mac. It's tough because I've been using it so often, I think removing it

might be more of a hassle than than just

leaving it but given today's news which we'll talk about in a second I still want to

remove it how do you un-install apps from your Mac when you really want it like

totally gone.

Well, actually I have Hazel on my Mac, so if I drag an app to the trash, Hazel will go,

but what about these related files?

And I'll go, yeah, get rid of them.

And then it's all gone except for Zoom,

which I missed to me, I haven't tried to get rid of yet,

but I hear the stories.

And Kaspersky, the antivirus stuff that I think is a virus

application that will not go. But other than that I've had no problems. Am I

just been lucky or are you more often troubled by these

things? So when I get a new Mac I don't know about you but I actually never migrate my old Mac. I like to start totally fresh and really just

install the bare necessities at the beginning and then install if a use case comes up where I do need a piece of software or something else,

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