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Desert Island Discs

Bernice Rubens

Desert Island Discs

BBC

Society & Culture, Music Commentary, Music, Personal Journals

4.413.7K Ratings

🗓️ 8 September 1991

⏱️ 38 minutes

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Summary

The castaway in Desert Island Discs this week is the writer Bernice Rubens. She'll be talking to Sue Lawley about her childhood with musically-gifted brothers and sister, and how, despite having written 17 novels - one of them won the Booker prize, another was also shortlisted - she still sees herself as merely a successful novelist who failed to become a musician. [Taken from the original programme material for this archive edition of Desert Island Discs] Favourite track: String Quintet C Major Second Movement by Franz Schubert Book: Poems For Joy & Sermons For Solace by John Donne Luxury: Daughter's painting

Transcript

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0:00.0

Hello, I'm Kirstie Young, and this is a podcast from the Desert Island Discs Archive

0:04.9

for rights reasons we've had to shorten the music. The programme was originally broadcast

0:10.0

in 1991, and the presenter was Sue Lawley.

0:14.2

My cast away this week is a novelist. As a child, she envied her musically gifted brothers

0:34.3

and sister, and wanted only to play the cello. But poverty precluded such a purchase and

0:39.1

she became the listener in her family, a role which stood her in good stead when, as a

0:43.3

young mother, she sat down to write her first novel. Four books later, she won the book

0:48.5

a prize. Eight years after that, she was in the lists again as a runner-up. Nevertheless,

0:53.8

the human quality she most admires is a sense of failure. That at least is striving, she

0:59.2

says, and of her own achievements remarks, that she's merely a successful novelist who

1:04.0

failed to become a musician. She is Bernie's Rubens. Do you believe that writing is far less

1:11.2

of an accomplishment than playing a musical instrument?

1:15.2

No, I don't think there are any rules about it. I think this is just a personal choice.

1:20.7

I would rather have become a musician, a cellist, in other words, than become a writer, because

1:28.3

I get a lot more pleasure out of listening to music. I take music enormously seriously,

1:36.3

in the sense that, although I'm a serious writer, I don't take my books seriously.

1:41.8

But does that mean that you're not proud of what you write?

1:45.6

Yes, I'm proud of the achievement of having written 70 novels, but I would give up every

1:52.9

17 of them in order to play one bar, like Cross Drop of Itch, for instance.

1:59.5

But in that sense, I mean, aren't you author of your own fate by insisting on playing

2:04.7

the cello? I mean, if it was a musical family, there were presumably other instruments there

2:08.0

that you could have played.

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