This is a

CVS I on the world. I'm John Bachelor to Judy Dempsey

The scholar for Carnegie Europe based in Berlin, non-resident, looking at the dynamics of the European Union,

and now we concentrate on Austria, famous and infamous in the 20th century

and now

entering into part of the conversation about the populism

sweeping over the EU these last months

the headline in the Financial Times this is the Pink Paper out of London

reporting. Austrian Far Right secures historic election win. Herbert Kickle, Freedom

Party, FPO is the acronym, set to become largest force in country's parliament

for the first time.

The Freedom Party represents much of what we've come to understand as the right wing of populism in Europe,

anti-immigration, anti-EU, anti-NATO, anti-Ukraine, and may be sympathetic towards Russia.

I don't, that's true for AFD.

Is it also true for FPO?

Judy, a very good day to you.

Was this a surprise to you that they did so well in the

election? Good day.

Good day John. Thanks for having me on your on your great shows always. The

SPU was waiting in the wings. This is a party that

I've been covering for such a long time in the 1990s and more recent and it

had a very charismatic leader York Heider and then they lost ground and then there was sanctions imposed by the EU because it was a far-right-wing party.

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