All right, Ben's going to go a little earlier with us today.

You can't do 12.

The intra-squad scrimmage, I guess, has concluded.

Ben joins us now.

Ben, of course, at Ben Standing.

Ben writes a substack column now as a reporter covering this team,

and he's got a podcast called Last Man Standing.

So before we get to what happened today and any observations,

Terry McLoran was there today and was talking to Adam Peters.

Is this the big indication of the day that things maybe are progressing?

I don't know.

I guess we'd all like to think that, just to end the saga and get him back on the field.

But I don't know.

I mean, Terry's been around for all we know they were talking about, you know,

Tara getting married and Adam's family, or who knows? I mean, I don't know. I mean, Terry's been around, for all we know, they were talking about, you know, Terry getting married and Adam's family, or who knows? I mean, I don't know. Clearly,

you would like to think that there's some progress. I mean, one good result of the hold-in

is exactly this, that he's there, he's face to face with all these people, and, you know,

maybe that smooth things, smooth out some of the rough edges, but at the moment, prior to that

conversation, I had no real sense from what I was being told that there was any real progress.

So I don't, I'm, I'm not going to say that that conversation means there is, but, you know,

certainly better that than, you know, them standing, you know, 10 feet away, arm folded,

not looking at each other, you know, that's every deal.

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