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Hey it's me James Stacy and today we have an extra special episode featuring both Hodinky's founder Ben Clymer and

our recently minted CEO Jeff Fowler.

Before finding his way to Hodinky, Jeff worked for Louis Vuitton, Tagoyer,

Cardier, Tesla,

and most recently, he was operating

as the president of the Americas

for the online luxury retailer, Farfatch.

He's a real pro, a consummate family man,

and also happens to be a frequent listener of

Hodinke radio. So the deck is stacked in my favor. It's a tale of two CEOs and

unsurprisingly we get into the nitty gritty sort of inside baseball of what it is to

lead a company like Hodinke, what the

brand's role should be in the world of watches, how to measure success, and even a

consideration of luxury at large. Ben and Jeff are busy guys, so let's get to it. All right,

guys, this is a treat. Jeff, welcome to the show. Ben, Ben, Jeff, welcome to the show. Ben, you've been on many times. Jeff, this is a first time. I think we'll probably do this many more times, but this is great great what a nice way to start the week long-time listener first-time participant James.

I'm really excited to be here yeah I was a bit of a fan you gotta say.

Oh man that's that's a way too sweet there's actually one of the first things you ever said

when we when we met each other was that you actually listen to the show which I

appreciate very much and I hope I hope we can keep you as an audience member

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