Hello and welcome to another edition of 10 Blocks, the City Journal podcast. I'm Howard Hewisick, a contributing editor to City Journal, and a fellow at the Philanthropy Roundtable in the American Enterprise Institute.

I'm joined today by the co-authors of a very important new book about American civil society and philanthropy and their relationship.

It's called Believe in People, Bottom Up Solutions

for a Top Down World. Its co-authors are Charles Koch, the president of Coke Industries,

and one of America's most important philanthropists and public voices. His co-author, Brian Hooks,

chairman and CEO of Stand

Together, a philanthropic community that works

with more than 700 business leaders and grassroots

social entrepreneurs.

Brian is also the president of the Charles Koch Foundation.

Gentlemen, thanks so much for joining me.

Thanks for that, it's hard.

Looking forward to it.

Let me start with you, Charles, if I might.

The book has gotten a lot of very well-deserved attention.

It's a fascinating read.

It's a guide to how to run a successful business.

It's a guide to how to think about philanthropy on a large scale.

And it's a kind of a memoir as well about your own life in ways that I think will surprise some people.

It's gotten some attention though, and I'm going to start off with the hot button, which is at one point you say talking about your involvement in public life in these United States, we really screwed up.

Now, I think that some people are going to infer from that that Charles Koch has changed his philosophy, changed his ideals, has a different worldview,

and is somehow going to confession. Tell me how I should think about that.

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