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The Brian Lehrer Show

Behind the Scenes at USAID

The Brian Lehrer Show

WNYC

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4.61.5K Ratings

🗓️ 30 April 2026

⏱️ 29 minutes

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Summary

Former USAID employee Nicholas Enrich discusses how DOGE cuts to the international aid agency have affected other countries.

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0:00.0

It's the Brian Lear Show on WNYC.

0:13.0

I'm producer Amina Serna filling in for Brian today.

0:17.1

Good morning again, everyone.

0:19.2

Nicholas Enrich spent two decades as a global health official at the U.S. Agency for International Development, or USAID, working under four presidents, Republican and Democrat.

0:32.4

Then on inauguration day 2025, the Trump administration issued an executive order which began to unravel the agency.

0:41.5

By July, the federal agency that had fought AIDS, malaria, and famine across the developing world was effectively shuttered.

0:51.7

Enrich watched it happen from the inside, documented it in real time, and filed a whistleblower

0:58.6

disclosure that made it to the U.S. Supreme Court.

1:02.0

He has now written a tell-all book about it.

1:04.4

It's titled Into the Woodchipper, a whistleblower's account of how the Trump administration shredded

1:09.4

USAID, the title taken from Elon Musk's

1:13.4

own words. Nicholas Enrich, welcome to WMIC. Thank you so much for having me. And listeners, we want to

1:21.4

hear from you. Do you work in foreign aid or global health, or did you? Have you seen firsthand what the dismantling of USAID has

1:31.1

meant on the ground? USAID works with many different contractors on the ground. So if you've

1:37.0

worked alongside their mission, we want to hear from you as well. How did it impact your work?

1:42.5

Give us a call now at 212-433 WW-NYC. That's 212-433-9-6-9-2. You can also text that number.

1:54.9

Nicholas, your book opens up with you on a ski trip in British Columbia on inauguration Day 2025 on vacation, learning about the

2:03.5

executive order pausing foreign assistance while you were waiting for your shower to warm up.

2:08.2

So take us back to that moment for you and to that executive order.

2:12.3

How did it begin the unraveling of USAID?

2:16.1

Yeah.

2:16.8

I mean, to be honest, when I first read the executive order that was called something

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