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The Gray Area with Sean Illing

Behind the panic in white, Christian America

The Gray Area with Sean Illing

Vox Media Podcast Network

Society & Culture, News, Politics, News Commentary, Philosophy

4.610.8K Ratings

🗓️ 1 July 2019

⏱️ 91 minutes

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Summary

About seven in 10 American seniors are white Christians. Among young adults, fewer than three in 10 are. During the span of the Obama administration, America went from a majority white Christian nation to one where white Christians are a minority. That’s an earthquake, and we’re living in the aftershocks. This is a story that Robert Jones, the head of the Public Religion Research Institute, tells in his book The End of White Christian America. Much of Donald Trump’s support is driven by a sense of religious loss, not just racial or national loss. Many of the debates playing out on the American right — particularly the Sohrab Ahmari-David French fight — reflect the belief that these are end times for a certain strain of American Christians, unless emergency measures are undertaken. This is not, to put it lightly, a perspective that’s treated sympathetically on the left. What could carry more privilege than being a white Christian? But that’s why, if you want to understand American politics right now, it’s important to try to see the other side of this one. I’m going to be exploring this more on the show in the weeks to come, but I wanted to start with Jones, who knows the data here better than anyone. This is part of the deep context of American politics right now. Seeing it clearly makes a lot of our fights more legible. If you liked this episode, you may also like: “David French on the Great, White Culture War” and Jennifer Richeson on “The most important idea for understanding politics in 2018.” Book recommendations: Mississippi Praying: Southern White Evangelicals and the Civil Rights Movement by Carolyn Renée Dupont Our Towns: A 100,000-Mile Journey into the Heart of America by James Fallows and Deborah Fallows Out of Many Faiths: Religious Diversity and the American Promiseby Eboo Patel Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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0:00.0

If we go back just not that far right to the beginning of Barack Obama's presidency in 2008,

0:04.8

when we was running for president, the country was comfortably 54% white and Christian.

0:09.3

And again, that's all Christians put together, Protestant Catholic, Orthodox,

0:12.4

non-denominational, white, non-Hispanic Christians. By the time we have the 2016 election,

0:17.4

that number has dropped down to 43.

0:30.8

Hello, welcome to the Client Show on the Box Media Podcast Network.

0:35.6

If you listen to the show, you know that one of my big arguments here,

0:38.9

a thesis of the show, really, is that demographic change is,

0:43.9

it's like the tectonic force underneath a lot of American politics,

0:47.1

that so many of the fights we have, the controversies we see, the debates were engaged in,

0:54.3

they are downstream of these demographic changes. We don't always see them this way.

0:58.8

We see them as individuals. We see them as their own special little snowflakes each and every time,

1:02.9

but they're over and over and over again manifestations of changing power dynamics.

1:07.8

On the show, I've talked a lot and talked with people a lot about the changing racial dynamics

1:13.1

of the country, and also the changing native and foreign-born dynamics in race,

1:17.6

where we're moving towards what democracy called majority minority America,

1:21.5

sort of around 2040, the number of Americans who identify as white on census will be lower than

1:26.8

the number who do not. And then, secondarily, we are moving towards having a record foreign-born

1:33.0

population, and you can see both those fights all around you. The one we don't talk about as much

1:37.9

on the show is religious, but we're seeing very similar trends there too. We're seeing a decline

1:43.6

in particularly white Christians. We're seeing a rise in the religiously unaffiliated.

1:48.8

There was data just last year in 2018 that if you cut apart mainline Protestant and evangelical

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