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🗓️ 14 July 2025
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Juliet Schor, author of the book Four Days a Week, looks at experiments in reducing the workweek. Katherine Moos and Noé Martin Wiener, authors of a paper for the The Economic and Labour Relations Review, discuss the issue of overwork among teachers.
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0:00.0 | The |
0:07.0 | The Hello and welcome to Behind the News. My name is Doug Henwood. Tradition stands firm, two guests and two |
0:38.3 | segments, but one theme. I needed a break from covering the relentless bloodshed in Gaza and the |
0:43.9 | ongoing ravages of the Trump regime. So a more diverting topic today, overwork and what to do about it. |
0:50.2 | We'll hear from Juliet Shore, one of the prime recent instigators of that line of inquiry, |
0:54.7 | and then Catherine Moose and Noah Martin Viener, who've been studying overwork among teachers. |
1:00.3 | First, Juliet Shore. In 1992, she published the Overworked American, the unexpected decline of leisure. |
1:06.7 | It turned out to be quite a hit, both within the economics profession and among a general public. |
1:11.7 | Needless to say, this is not the sort of thing most economists write about or even think about. |
1:16.2 | She's been studying work in its various aspects since then, often from a feminist perspective. |
1:21.7 | She's just out with a new book, Four Days a Week, the life-changing solution for reducing employee stress, |
1:28.4 | improving well-being, |
1:34.7 | and working smarter from Harper Business. That subtitle approaches 18th century standards of length. |
1:39.3 | She and a large team of researchers have been running pilot programs at work sites around the world, and the book is a report of their findings, which are highly encouraging. |
1:43.6 | Juliet's day job is as a professor of sociology at Boston College. |
1:47.8 | As I said, her research is not typical for economists, which is probably why she's in a sociology |
1:52.3 | department. |
1:53.4 | Juliet's Shore. |
1:54.4 | I was amazed to learn that Richard Nixon, of all people, was talking about a four-day |
1:58.0 | week in 1956. |
1:59.0 | Yeah, that's not something you'd |
2:01.1 | expected of Richard Nixon. Where'd that come from? Yeah, I agree. There was a widespread |
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