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Behind the News: Is Trump De-Escalating With China? w/ Jake Werner

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🗓️ 15 October 2025

⏱️ 53 minutes

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Summary

Jake Werner of the Quincy Institute analyzes Trump’s creeping softness on China, and how that country sees its role in the world. Jeet Heer, author of a recent book review for the Nation, talks about the slick but odious William F. Buckley

Behind the News, hosted by Doug Henwood, covers the worlds of economics and politics and their complex interactions, from the local to the global.

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0:00.0

The

0:07.0

The Hello and welcome to Behind the News. My name is Doug Henwood. After last week's perturbation,

0:38.0

a favorite word of Walt Whitman, order is restored, two guests, two segments. We'll revisit

0:43.9

the topic of William F. Buckley and his relationship to the contemporary right with Jeet Hear,

0:48.5

and Jake Werner will discuss Trump's creeping softness on China and how that country sees his

0:53.5

relationship with the rest of the

0:54.9

world.

0:56.0

Lately, the China Hawks, who dominate the foreign policy blob and the pundit establishment, have

1:00.8

been complaining that Trump is going soft in the country, when what is required is an eternal

1:05.1

toughness that looks frightfully like a prelude to war.

1:08.2

Trump, who turned the word China into a racist epithet. What's with that? What are the

1:12.9

interests behind the soft and hard camps? And how does global power politics interact with the

1:17.8

business of accumulation? And just how does China see its role in the world? Are they bent on

1:22.8

world domination? Are they happy to see Trump tearing apart the structures that have governed

1:27.2

international relations over the last few decades? In the shorter term, the decades nation? Are they happy to see Trump tearing apart the structures that have governed international

1:27.8

relations over the last few decades? In the shorter term, the decades of the neoliberal era,

1:32.9

or longer term, the institutions like the World Bank and IMF that shape what we used to call

1:37.3

the American century? Here to explore these questions is Jake Werner, director of the East Asia

1:42.8

program at the Quincy Institute.

1:44.7

Jake Werner.

1:45.9

Before we get to your thoughts on China's role in international affairs, let's talk about

1:50.1

something else that's in the news lately.

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