BEFORE OPPENHEIMER'S GADGET: 1/8: Black Snow: Curtis LeMay, the Firebombing of Tokyo, and the Road to the Atomic Bomb by James M. Scott
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BEFORE OPPENHEIMER'S GADGET: 1/8: Black Snow: Curtis LeMay, the Firebombing of Tokyo, and the Road to the Atomic Bomb by James M. Scott
https://www.amazon.com/Black-Snow-Curtis-Firebombing-Atomic/dp/1324002999/ref=sr_1_1?crid=1X64JYW3Z1OT9&keywords=BLACK+SNOW+JAMES+SCOTT&qid=1674137497&s=books&sprefix=black+snow+james+scott%2Cstripbooks%2C61&sr=1-1
Seven minutes past midnight on March 10, 1945, nearly 300 American B-29s thundered into the skies over Tokyo. Their payloads of incendiaries ignited a firestorm that reached up to 2,800 degrees, liquefying asphalt and vaporizing thousands; sixteen square miles of the city were flattened and more than 100,000 men, women, and children were killed
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| 0:27.0 | Here's John Bachelor. |
| 0:30.0 | It is November 24, 1944. |
| 0:34.0 | Brigadier General Haywood Hansel arrives in the theater of the Pacific Theater in the war against the Imperial Japanese Navy and Army. |
| 0:44.0 | These are the last months of the Japanese Pacific War fought by the US Navy, the US Marine Corps and the Army Air Force. |
| 0:53.0 | General Hansel has a mission which is to take a new weapon, a very expensive weapon called the B-29 and turn it into the destruction of the Japanese ability to make war. |
| 1:06.0 | I welcome James Scott, James M. Scott is the author of the new book Black Snow, Curtis Lemay, the fire bombing of Tokyo and the road to the atomic bomb. |
| 1:17.0 | James greetings to you and congratulations telling the story of these months which I'd read about beginning an end but not in between as to how the B-29, a very buggy aircraft in addition to being expensive, did not arrive as a success. |
| 1:36.0 | The early days were a challenge to the Army Air Force, to the high command in Washington and to the men who flew the B-29. |
| 1:47.0 | So we needed to start with Haywood Hansel, a premier figure in the Air Force for his success in the European campaign by the Army Air Force, a great success which is why he's given what is regarded, what he regards as the best command in the Army Air Force, the 20th Air Force. |
| 2:05.0 | What is his mission? What are the challenges for Haywood Hansel? What do we need to know about him? Good even to James. |
| 2:12.0 | John, thanks so much for having me on your program again, Sarula. Treat me with you and your listeners. Haywood Hansel is a fascinating figure and that not only is he a combat commander in both Europe and the Pacific, but he's also an air pioneer and strategic thinker during the inner war period in which it's important to remember. |
| 2:34.0 | Aviation is a pretty new addition to the battlefield by the time World War II rolls around. It has its combat debut in the end of World War I and that time between World War I and World War II is when a lot of thinkers start looking at how can we bring this new technology to bear in a modern war and Hansel is one of the pioneers of that. |
| 2:55.0 | And so he is a big believer in what's called high altitude daylight strategic bombing and the idea behind that is that they are that a that a modern economy is like a house of cards and that if you use planes and you bomb strategically you knock out oil refineries, for example, and bridges. |
| 3:17.0 | You can then collapse this economy just like you would with a house of cards and therefore avoid the trenches and stalemates and whatnot that had haunted the nightmares of infantry men after World War I and so that's kind of handles background and so he comes from sort of this intellectual planning academic background to to bring this sort of strategy to to bear against the Germans during the first part of World War II. |
| 3:46.0 | And of course, there are a lot of challenges with that because what works well and theory and an academic settings does not always work in combat. |
| 3:56.0 | And so they realize, for example, that the German economy is far more resourceful than they had thought that the Germans can pull in, you know, raw materials from occupied countries that they can disperse industry and things like that. |
| 4:10.0 | And so the air war that Hansel and others thought was going to be pretty quick and painless in Europe really devolves into a years long slog and the Americans are flying these high altitude daylight precision rays. |
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