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This is CBSI in the world. I'm John Bachelwood, Professor Paul Halper.

His new book is Flashes of Creation, George Gamoff, Fred Hoyle, and the Great Big Bang

Debate. I met Fred Hoyle from a science fiction book he wrote in the 1950s.

I met George Gamoff from a book that he wrote about cosmology one, two, three,

infinity in the 1950s. I never understood Gamoff. I loved Hoyle. So those are my prejudices,

but to have them both together as a joy, thanks to Paul's work. So we pick up our story of

the son of the pianist at the movies, Fred Hoyle. He arrives at Cambridge through a series of,

you can't make this up, debates, mentor, he has mentor professors and he's guided to Cambridge.

He arrives at the time of a rich turning of physics at Cambridge. Max Bourne, Rudolph Peerles,

they're building an accelerator that the professor de Sitter dies, but others come,

Professor Price, Professor Dirac, and he wins his PhD eventually in 1939. What did Fred Hoyle

think he was while at Cambridge with all these distinguished physicists, Paul? He definitely

wanted to be a particle physicist or a nuclear physicist. Originally, in high school, he wanted

to be a chemist, and as a child, he loved astronomy, but he went from astronomy to chemistry,

and finally, at Cambridge, he imagined himself working in particle labs and interpreting

the information, so interpreting the data, very, very similar to what Gamoff was doing sometime

earlier. So Gamoff would develop models of how nuclear particles interacted. Hoyle had a great

respect for Gamoff's work, and wanted to kind of continue along those lines. And then, of course,

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