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about pandemic fatigue. As coronavirus cases surge in the state, Governor Newsom has issued a curfew for

most of the state and many counties

are reinstating restrictions that were only recently lifted. Add to that winter cold and

rains which make it harder to gather outside and the coming holidays which remind us of more

festive times and it's leaving many of us with severe cases of what's described as pandemic fatigue.

We're going to talk about

what we're experiencing and ways to alleviate it. Joining us is Alyssa Epple, Professor and Vice Chair

in the Department of Psychiatry at University of California, San Francisco. Welcome, Dr. Eppel.

Thank you so much. Happy to be here. Glad to have you with us. Also glad to have Margo Pumar,

who is psychiatrist and associate medical director for integrated and collaborative care at UCSF and welcome Dr. Pumar.

Hi, thank you so much for having me.

Glad to have both of you with us and we ought to say that when we talk about pandemic fatigue, it's not only individuals and the enormous strain on all of us, but also the whole

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