Welcome to Just Between Us, the podcast with all of the answers, some of the time.

A bit of a different thing going on this week.

You've been immature and you've lied.

And now you're trying to turn it on me and manipulate me and gaslight me.

I was trying to manipulate you.

Diana, you would be chucking their clothes out of the window.

I know, I'd be like, are you joking?

I don't know. I guess you'd have to ask.

Someone that has sex.

Someone that has sex.

And remember, it's just between us.

Welcome to the History Extra podcast.

Fascinating historical conversations from BBC History Magazine and BBC History Revealed.

The history of the British Empire has often been told as one of an all-conquering spread of British values and influence across the globe.

But according to historian David Viva's new book, The Great Defiance, in its early years,

the progress of the colonial project was much more halting, characterised by resistance,

violence, and often failure.

I spoke to David to find out more.

Thank you so much for joining me today, David.

To start us off, could you lay out the central argument

that you make in your new book The Great Defiance?

It's a really exciting time for historians of empire and the British Empire, more specifically.

...