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Welcome to another episode of Boom Lawyer, a rewire.

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It's getting ridiculous.

I'm tired. I'm irritated. I'm slightly agro and I want it to stop. I'm Imani Gandy. And I'm Jess Piclo. Rewire. Dot News is

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Jess, so you know how much I love calling people out, right?

Sure.

Like, if you're a bad person with bad opinions that are harming marginalized people,

I have no problem calling you out about it.

That's the truth. And if my calling out includes calling a bad person with bad opinions

a brainless numpty, perhaps, then that person probably deserves it and should stop being a

brainless numpty. It's true. You do really have a thing about brainless numpties. I do. But when someone I love says or does something that harms marginalized people, I don't like to call them out. I like to call them in. Wait, what are you talking about? What's the difference here? Well, it's a difference in tone primarily. Like a callout basically tries to expose brainless numpty for the brainless numpy that they are.

But a call-in is an attempt to get someone who is doing or saying something harmful to change their

behavior or their viewpoints through patience and compassion.

You?

Patience and compassion? Hey, man. I'm capable of patience and compassion. You? Patience and compassion?

Hey, man.

I'm capable of patience and compassion.

I'm a goddamn delight, Jessica.

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