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Impolitic with John Heilemann

Barry McAffrey: Trump’s War Aims in Venezuela = Maduro Out & Chevron In

Impolitic with John Heilemann

Audacy | Puck

Politics, News

4.84.2K Ratings

🗓️ 12 December 2025

⏱️ 71 minutes

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Summary

John welcomes retired four-star U.S. Army General Barry McCaffrey to discuss the rapidly escalating conflict between America and Venezuela. McAffrey argues that Donald Trump appears to be hellbent on regime change in Venezuela; that his stated motivations related to narco-terrorism make virtually no sense at all; and that his primary motivations instead revolve primarily around seizing the South American country’s oil reserves. McCaffrey also assesses the recently unveiled official U.S. National Security Strategy, the elements of which he regards as ranging from incoherent to farcical to flat out “horrifying.” See all the ways bp is investing in America at ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠bp.com/InvestingInAmerica⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ . To learn more about listener data and our privacy practices visit: https://www.audacyinc.com/privacy-policy Learn more about your ad choices. Visit https://podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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Aloha and namaste, everyone, and welcome to In Politics with John Howman, a puck and Odyssey joint featuring lively in-depth conversations with the people who cruise the

0:50.8

quarters of power in America, sculpting and shaping the ebb and flow of our

0:54.3

politics and culture. In our last episode, we noted with some amazement, astonishment,

1:02.2

that it was the first time that two former senior military leaders in a row had appeared on

1:08.1

Impolitic, or its predecessor podcast, Helen Howe Water.

1:12.2

Little did we know that the news gods had in store for us another week, this past week,

1:19.0

that is, in which matters pertaining to the U.S. military would be at the forefront of American

1:25.4

political culture and life, so much so that we would feel compelled

1:30.2

to move beyond the unprecedented doubleheader of the last two episodes to turn that doubleheader

1:37.5

into a triple play or a trifecta or whatever other term of art you prefer for having a third guest on in a row who carried a

1:48.1

general's rank.

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