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A warning, this episode contains brief cursing of the literary variety.

Do you think there's order in the universe, or is it all chaos?

I think it's all chaos.

I have to believe that.

I mean, Rachel Martin, it is December 24.

You're going to tell me the last five years on this planet, you know, have been orderly.

They have been beyond chaotic.

I mean, beyond. I'm Rachel Martin, and this is Wildcard, the game where cards control the

conversation. Each week, my guest chooses questions at random from a deck of cards, questions about the

memories, insights, and beliefs that have shaped them.

Because of where, of where I came from, and what I do.

My guest this week is the film director, Barry Jenkins.

There's just always this version of me that feels like I'm not enough.

It is virtually impossible to watch a Barry Jenkins film and not be emotionally changed.

You can't watch the scene from the Oscar-winning film Moonlight, where Juan teaches little to swim,

without seeing the full humanity of both those characters.

The fragility and the strength and the desperation and love all at the same time.

Barry Jenkins never set out to make movies for the masses. He's a champion of independent film

who tells stories about black life in America, from a film about a one-night stand in San Francisco

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