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U.S. Supreme Court Oral Arguments

Barnes v. Felix

U.S. Supreme Court Oral Arguments

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National, Government & Organizations

4.6640 Ratings

🗓️ 22 January 2025

⏱️ 76 minutes

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Summary

A case in which the Court struck down the Fifth Circuit's “moment of the threat” doctrine, which it applied when evaluating Fourth Amendment excessive force claims.

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0:00.0

We'll hear argument first this morning in case 23, 1239, Barnes v. Felix.

0:05.6

Mr. Zelensky.

0:07.1

Mr. Chief Justice, and may it please the Court, we are here today because Ashton Barnes was shot and killed on the side of a Texas highway after being pulled over for unpaid tolls.

0:17.6

The question before this Court is how to determine whether Ashton's Fourth Amendment

0:23.6

rights were violated. The Fourth Amendment prohibits unreasonable seizures. Justice Scalia was no

0:30.6

fan of a totality of the circumstances test. But in Scott, Justice Scalia made clear that courts

0:37.4

must slosh through the fact-bound morass of reasonableness.

0:41.6

In this case, the district court and the Fifth Circuit didn't do that.

0:46.4

Instead, they applied the moment of the threat doctrine.

0:49.8

According to the Fifth Circuit decision below, quote,

0:52.6

we may only ask whether Officer Felix was in danger at the moment of the threat decision below, quote, we may only ask whether Officer Felix was in

0:55.0

danger at the moment of the threat, and, quote, any of the officer's actions leading up to the

1:01.2

shooting are not relevant. This kind of legal amnesia is incompatible with precedent,

1:08.0

conflicts with common law, and defies common sense.

1:12.7

Until now, respondents had embraced the moment of the threat doctrine.

1:17.5

But before this court, respondents have abruptly shifted position.

1:22.1

They now argue that court should look to what occurs before the moment of the threat

1:27.3

and apply the law of self-defense

1:29.5

and superseding cause. Absolutely none of this appears in the decision below. All of it confirms

1:37.7

why the moment of the threat doctrine is so wrong. Finally, as Judge Higamotham

1:42.5

underscored in his concurrence, the facts show that Officer Felix

1:46.1

acted unreasonably. But this is a court of review, not of first view. The court should rule for

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