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How are we doing, everybody? Welcome back to the Sean Howard channel. I'm Ron Swanson. I'm here with

the one and only Paula M. And of course, Babs, back for episode five, I do believe. And unfortunately, Babs' camera is not playing ball today. But that's all right. That's all right. Now, before we start, Babs, how are you doing? First of all, how have you been? You've gone through a lot since we last spoke. You can talk about whatever you want. But first of all, introduce yourself for people who may not

have seen the many hours of our conversations before this. Okay, so my name is Barbara Swinoff.

I'm represented by Next Model Management for the last 15 to 18 years. I finished modeling around 2013-14 with next model management, maybe even 15.

And last year, I went on your show with Sean, and I started exposing my story and my circumstances and what I witnessed in the

modeling industry, the ups and downs, the ins and outs. And I did speak about my agent Faith Kate's,

who is now revealed in the Epstein files. It came out about three weeks ago. And I am just here to cover

the rest of my story and expose more information that I can share with everyone so we could

connect the dots together and keep exposing these people.

Now, Erica Kirk is linked to my agent Faith Case that came out last week with Candice Owen

exposing Faith Kate's and Erica Kirk.

So we could just dive into it.

Yeah, well, listen, Babs, it's always incredible when you're here.

And just in case anyone has missed our previous interviews, I will put a playlist down in the description,

but we were just talking about condensing it all down and really making the information a bit more condensed for everybody,

because Babs' journey, the individuals that we've already

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