Welcome back to Hot Takes and Deep Dives, and I am here with the co-creator and executive producer of one of my favorite scripted shows in recent memory, Pose.

So I thought this would be particularly interesting to highlight, considering Katz the Jellicle Ball is now on Broadway,

which really follows in the footsteps of Paris's Burning and Pose. And also in the Ryan Murphy

conversation with Love Story now airing Love Story, the JFK Jr. Carolyn Beset series,

in the case like Pose, Ryan Murphy is the person who shaped the script written by my guest,

Stephen Cannells, and is the person who got it to

television. So that's my intro. Hi, Stephen Canals. I don't know if my reps told you this,

but while I was filming the third season, I discovered your videos on YouTube because I live on YouTube.

And I'm obsessed with the real world.

So I was watching your interviews with like, you did Camila, which I think was like

one of my favorite.

You interviewed a bunch of people.

So I was like obsessed.

So when this came through, I was like, yeah, yeah, I have to talk to Jess because I love

that show so much. Oh my God. That's so funny. Thank you. Yeah, I had a Mohammed on from San Francisco

as well. Can we do a little, let me do a little plug for myself here, a little commercial for all

you real world fans like Stephen, who discovered me that way, dig back in the archives

for, like I said, Mohammed from San Francisco, who else, Camila from Boston, Irene from Seattle,

Danny and Melissa from New Orleans, of course, Genesis, my queen from Boston, who was like the

the holdout dream guest for this podcast for two years before

that came into fruition yeah that was a really good one as well oh my god so this was while you

were shooting the third season while we were filming our third season of the show anytime i had like

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