Bahnsen vs. Stein, Gary DeMar vs. End Times [CrossPolitic Show]

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🗓️ 26 August 2025

⏱️ 72 minutes

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In this episode of CrossPolitic Toby, Knox, and Gabe welcome back Gary DeMar, president of American Vision, to discuss "The Great Debate: Does God Exist?". The book serves as a reading and analysis of the legendary 1985 Bahnsen-Stein debate. DeMar explains why this 40th anniversary examination of the debate remains relevant today, highlighting how Greg Bahnsen's presuppositional apologetic approach completely dismantled Gordon Stein's atheistic arguments by forcing him to confront his own philosophical assumptions. The conversation takes an unexpected turn into eschatology, addressing the public perception of a "falling out" between DeMar and the CrossPolitic guys over theological differences. The conversation ultimately comes around to the substantive discussion about the resurrection of the dead, the physical return of Christ, and The Final Judgment.

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0:00.0	But if there be no resurrection of the dead, then Christ has not risen.
0:03.0	So he's tying the resurrection of Christ though to our resurrection, to the general resurrection of the dead.
0:09.0	But notice what it says, the resurrection of the dead.
0:12.0	Right? Not the resurrection of the body, but the resurrection of the dead.
0:16.0	Is that difference there?
0:17.0	But I guess I don't see the distinction.
0:19.0	Paul was on trial for the resurrection
0:21.2	of the dead. The question was, what happened to all of those old covenant saints?
0:27.4	What the Pharisees actually believed in was the resurrection of the body. That may be,
0:31.5	the text of scripture doesn't say the resurrection of bodies from the grave. What's the
0:37.3	resurrection of the dead?
0:39.0	When you die, you go to be with Jesus, and that is your resurrection.
0:43.5	Will I have this body?
0:44.9	No, you won't have that body. You will have a new body.
0:47.2	Will it look like this one, though?
0:48.5	I don't know.
0:49.4	I still think, though, that if you say that kind of thing, you are, it's, it's denigrating
0:54.3	the body that we were given.
0:57.5	I don't think it's denigrating it at all.
0:59.7	I think it was a temporary, temporary edifice like the, like the temple was a temporary
1:04.8	edifice.
1:06.2	Jesus took it apart stone by stone, but he calls it the temple of God.
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