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The Bunker – News without the nonsense

Back the Future? – What is Europe for in the 21st Century?

The Bunker – News without the nonsense

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Society & Culture, Government, News, Politics

4.61K Ratings

🗓️ 19 March 2026

⏱️ 30 minutes

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Summary

With war in Ukraine, the US almost our enemy, Brexit Britain now semi-detached and Putin waiting in the wings, the continent that rebuilt itself from the ruins of two world wars now finds its founding settlement under unprecedented pressure. Does Europe need to go back to find its future? Historian Roderick Beaton, author of Europe: A New History, joins Alex von Tunzelmann to trace how Europe was forged, how it has weathered cycles of integration and disintegration, and what its future might look like in this new era of uncertainty. •  Pre-order Europe: A New History through our affiliate bookshop and you’ll help fund the podcast by earning us a small commission for every sale. Bookshop.org’s fees help support independent bookshops too. www.patreon.com/bunkercast  Written and presented by Alex von Tunzelmann.  Producer: Andrew Harrison. Production Assistant: Jake Preston.  Audio production: Simon Williams. Music by Kenny Dickinson. Artwork by James Parrett. Managing Editor: Jacob Jarvis. Group Editor: Andrew Harrison. THE BUNKER is a Podmasters Production. www.podmasters.co.uk  Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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0:44.1

When we talk about Europe, what do we mean? Are we discussing a geographical place, a political union, a shared history, or even a shared culture.

0:55.4

Throughout its history, Europe has constantly been defined and redefined by its people,

1:00.2

and it's also been buffeted by forces from outside as well as in.

1:04.4

That's in sharp relief today, with the Russian invasion of Ukraine entering its fourth year

1:08.6

and the United States proving an inconstant

1:11.1

over Greenland, possibly even a belligerent. From some viewpoints, Europe might seem to be in

1:17.6

crisis. From others, it's more closely unified than at many points in history, with close, political,

1:23.8

diplomatic, military and economic cooperation between much of the continent.

1:32.6

Any alliance can fall apart, but sometimes under pressure they become much stronger.

1:38.8

The last year has given a boost to Vladimir Putin's favoured concept of how the world should work. The United States, Russia and China, each exercising authority in its separate sphere.

1:44.9

That would carve Europe up again into eastern west, similar to its division during the Cold War.

1:50.4

But there are signs Europe is fighting back and coming to understand what it needs to do to remain independent and free.

1:58.1

So do we need to think again about what Europe means and what we have historically got

2:03.4

wrong about it? To discuss these questions and more, I'm joined by Professor Sir Roderick Beaton,

2:08.4

author of Europe, A New History. Roderick, thank you so much for joining me on The Bunker.

2:12.3

Well, thank you for having me. It's a great pleasure. Well, let's start, you know,

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