The second they said brave, I was like, oh no, they're going to rhyme it with cave.

Welcome to your wrong about the podcast. We're increasingly we are talking about shopping and survival.

Apparently my two main interests. I didn't realize until now, but it has become clear.

With me today's Blair Braverman. Hello Blair. Hello Sarah. Hello, you're wrong about.

You recently came and talked to us about the crash and survival of flight 571 in the Andes,

which has been of the episodes that we've released in the past couple of years or really ever,

is one of the ones that people have really freaked out about the most in a positive way, obviously.

I've been freaked out how. The response that I love to see about it is like,

people essentially saying some variation of like, I was surprised by how deep my emotional response was to this.

Or like, I laughed, I cried. There was a jump scare. You know, people who listen to this show and who come back

because they love it, love it for different reasons. But I think that this was like the kind of storytelling

that highlights the humanity of the people that it's about, which is just like always rare.

Okay, well, I don't know. I mean, I think it's not that rare over here.

It's part of your big project is taking caricatures and turning them into real people,

which is why your show is so moving. And I'm happy to be part of it.

Yeah, and I'm so happy to have you back.

We are going to be doing something today, which kind of merges an area where I feel some kind of sense of stability

as a speaker because I've been researching it and obsessed with it for so long,

which matches up with what I think of as one of your areas of expertise.

So we're going to talk about survival situations when they connect with media circuses

and we're going to talk about three of them.

Three of them. Oh, boy. Three whole circuses. It's a three ring circus, I guess.

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