Azariah France-Williams & Natalia Nana - Black Aliens and White Allies (N235)

Nomad Podcast

Tim Nash

Christianity, Faithshift, Deconstruction, Christianmysticism, Religion & Spirituality, Christianspirituality, Progressivechristian, Christian, Religion, Emergingchurch

4.7 • 658 Ratings

🗓️ 10 November 2020

⏱️ 142 minutes

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Summary

In this episode David speaks with priest and author Azariah France-Williams about his new book Ghost Ship: Institutional Racism and the Church of England. Azariah reflects on his experience of racism within the church, and how sticking plasters won’t suffice, but instead a wholesale change in structure and mindset is required.
Jemimah is then joined by diversity and inclusion trainer Natalia Nana, to reflect on the interview and to speak about anti-racist habits and practices.

Interview starts at 19m 12s

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0:00.0	The
0:07.0	The Welcome back to Nomad Podcast. I'm Jemima McAlpine. And I'm David Benjamin Blah. David, how are you doing?
0:45.7	I'm doing all right. How are you doing, Jabama? I'm good. Not a lot to report another day in local lockdown.
0:52.3	Yeah. Yeah, no, it's a very uneventful apocalypse, isn't it?
0:57.3	Let's not go into that. Could get quite dark. Yeah, yeah. Let's see if we can have an episode where
1:04.6	we don't mention it. Yeah, I'm very excited for this interview. Yeah, me too.
1:19.1	So David is interviewing Azariah France Williams about his book, Ghostship, Institutional Racism and the Church of England.
1:22.9	And Azariah France Williams is a priest in the Church of England.
1:30.3	And he's been on the podcast before in conversation with CheneyDonald, which you might have heard on episode 192, which was called In Our Own Skin, In Our Own Words. And there they talked about their
1:36.8	understanding and experience of blackness and how that shaped their identity, their place in society,
1:42.9	and the way they relate to church and God.
1:45.7	But you knew Azariah before that, didn't you, David? How did you guys meet?
1:50.3	I did. I was thinking about it. I was trying to remember when we first met. He's one of those
1:54.0	people I've sort of become friends with over a few years, and I couldn't quite remember how it all
1:59.3	began. But it was the nomad gathering that
2:03.5	happened, well, when was it? Was it like five years ago or something? Was it 2017? Was it only
2:09.2	2017? Oh, wow. Okay. Okay. Yeah, sort of the one and only nomad gathering that ever happened
2:16.4	and it was really good and we've always thought
2:18.8	oh we should do that again but then never quite managed to do it have we there are plans to do it this year
2:23.4	and then and then yes the thing that we agreed not to talk about happened yeah yeah yeah so you met him
2:28.9	at the gathering or you you spent time with him in the gathering well i i I spoke to him in passing there. That was the first
2:35.4	time I came across him and he shared a bit and whatnot. But then I think I got to spend some
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