I think there's something deeper to look at with that and how we talk about, especially in the realm of psychedelics and how, you know, a lot of this information is tied in with ancient information and like, are we taking, are we taking good care of it, right?

Because at the end of the day, it's all about meaning, right? It's like nothing has meaning unless we treat it carefully.

Are we, yes, where are we here? Why are we here not entirely clear? We are misfits gross into existence by random chance with no hints at all as to how we're supposed to make sense of it all. It's immensely bizarre. Here we are.

Hello, everybody and welcome to the here. We are podcasts today. Very special guest haven't had this lady on in a while. Sophia Rocklin is joining me today who we, let's see Sophia two years ago, we were, we were on a tour together.

Yeah, two years ago, a tour called head talks. Let's see around this time, we would have been traveling through like Charleston and Atlanta and such on, on the head talks tour, talking about doing some comedy mixing it with some science, talking about Sophia's book, when plants dream.

And this is your first appearance on something in like two years, right?

Pretty much. That's correct. Yeah. Yeah. Why, why have you not, why have you not been on anything? What's been your, what's the deal? I mean, a couple of things.

Yeah. Well, you're just, you're one of the better communicators that I've ever seen and, and it seems as soon as COVID happening, I'm like, I'm not going to do public speaking anymore.

Yeah. And, and now you're, you're maybe thinking about getting back into it, which is exciting. So what's the deal? What's going on?

Yeah, this is the exclusive scoop. Well, you, you may or may not remember me casting a hex on the universe saying, God, I really need a vacation after you and I had 10, 10 cities and 10 days.

And we did get the vacation of a lifetime. It seems. Yeah. We sure good. We sure did. But, you know, I mean, I think the, well, I don't know, I guess any context for like listeners, the book that I wrote.

When plants dream co author Daniel pinchback is all about I wasca Amazonian shamanism and the global psychedelic Renaissance. So, you know, without getting into like too much background or depth, it is an extremely like complex subject, basically. And if you are, you know, following psychedelics at all, it is such a rapidly evolving field that it's hard to kind of.

Keep up with. And I found myself growing quite, you know, disillusioned with the kind of overt influence of, you know, monetary gain that didn't really seem to consider some of the subtler, but more integral aspects to what I believe is beautiful about psychedelic healing. So I think I just wanted to take a step back and observe.

And then there was another part of it, which was that I started working with a different with an organization called the Amazon Emergency Fund. And I went, like, head on for two years working on emergency aid for indigenous peoples impacted by COVID in the Amazon.

And it had always been a bit of like a dream or an aspiration of mine to actually apply, you know, reciprocity.

It or rather gives back in a reciprocal way to indigenous peoples and the beautiful kind of ecological and spiritual wisdom that they share. And so I completely threw myself in head first to working kind of behind the scenes. So I've been on thousands of hours of Zoom calls, but none of them published, you know, in the public forum.

So that's, that's like the, that's the quick and dirty. And then just composting, you know, I'm like, I'm a poetic person. I believe that we have seasons to bloom and seasons to die and, you know, sometimes you got to push through.

I know, I know you don't believe it that I see you squinting your eyes, but I kind of, I kind of like that.

Did you just say that that's not what I was giggling at. I was giggling specifically. Did you say you've been composting?

Yeah, I've been like, you know, I'm existentially composting, you know, it's like, yeah, I enjoy the metaphor. Yeah, you keep it. You take it with you.

So that's wonderful.

Yeah. Yeah.

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