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Ancient Warfare Podcast

AWA337 - Legions and Foederati

Ancient Warfare Podcast

The History Network

Society & Culture, Greece, Warfare, Ancient, Rome, History, Military

4.4 • 631 Ratings

🗓️ 27 December 2024

⏱️ 11 minutes

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Summary

Murray answers four questions in just one episode sent in by David:

1. Were the legions largely (or even completely) replaced by the foederati by the seventh century CE?

2. What do we know about the ethnic makeup of the armies that fought for pagan Rome in the wars of the first centuries BCE and CE (largely legionaries from southern Europe?) compared to the armies that fought for Byzantine Rome in the seventh-century wars (largely “barbarians”?), including Heraclius’s reconquest of Jerusalem in 628 CE from the Persian Sassanid empire?

3. Do you have a view (either way) on the argument—made most compellingly by Tom Holland in his 2014 book, In the Shadow of the Sword—that the Byzantine Roman army of the early seventh century was made up largely of fighters from the southern Levant and northern Arabia (where the Ghassanids came from)?

4. Could Arab forces that formerly made up the Foederati have “declared independence” from Rome in the third decade of the seventh century and ultimately have conquered the Levant from the Romans in the 630s (before engaging in civil war among themselves and the descendants of the Lakhmids, who had fought on behalf of the Sassanid empire three decades later)? In other words, might Muhammad and his original followers all have been former Foederati, who turned against their former Eastern Roman clients, much like the Gothic barbarians did against their former Western Roman clients a couple centuries earlier?

Transcript

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0:00.0

Everyone and welcome to another episode of ancient warfare answers with me Murray.

0:09.7

What I do here is attempt to answer a question from a viewer or listener or reader, and they send me questions via email or by postcard or commenting on a previous podcast or anywhere they can find it, really,

0:22.5

and we'll find those questions and attempt to answer them.

0:25.4

And I attempt to answer them in about 10 minutes.

0:27.8

Sometimes I go over, seldom under.

0:30.8

And, of course, I get a lot of questions from patrons,

0:33.8

and you can back us on Patreon, forward slash ancient warfare podcast,

0:39.5

and you can back at one of the three levels legionary optio in Centurion

0:41.9

$1, $5 and $10.

0:43.7

Today's question,

0:45.4

plurals, questions,

0:47.1

come from David.

0:48.8

He's asked four questions

0:50.3

which I will attempt to answer

0:52.4

and hopefully not go over my 10 minutes slot. But I think

0:57.0

I can answer them all because I think my answers to a couple of them are short. He says,

1:01.4

Hi, Murray, your episode on Lost Legions reminded me of four related questions that I was hoping you

1:06.1

could address one, two, three, or all four. One, were the legions largely or even completely replaced by the Fodorati by the 7th century AD?

1:16.4

We do get mentions of legions.

1:18.9

The word legionese does occur with increasing irregularity.

1:24.2

I believe we've done a podcast in the past on the last mentioned Lingen, which is in the 6th century.

1:30.2

So you find the word disappears as a name or identifying a unit.

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