Hi everyone and welcome to another episode of ancient warfare answers. Again, I'm on my own,

The Cats Away and I'm playing and I'm getting to play with a question that I really enjoy from

Paul Wolford. And it's a really exciting one. You too could ask an exciting question or just a

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podcast. And now, the question I'm going to answer today, I hope, is from Paul Walford.

And we could keep answering this question because it is saying, name one event in ancient

warfare where the majority of the sources are in agreement with an event

happening, be it a battle or an event during a battle, but where you call foul never happened

and vice versa. So that, as I said, we can always return to this question if we're ever stuck.

So I'm going to choose a relatively obscure battle called the Battle of the Sagra River.

Now, funnily enough, this battle has several aspects to it that people don't agree on, but in a way that informs us even more, because the way that those things don't inform us are on things

that modern ancient historians want our sources to tell us.

And of course, it's the sort of thing they don't, which is the exact location, the exact date, the exact numbers.

So those things are not agreed. Those things are up for

debate. So we'll deal with those first, but then we'll deal with the aspect of it that

became a common saying in the ancient world that I'm going to call foul on. So the Battle of the Sagra River is some point

in probably the early 6th century BC. There's a whole bunch of debates around the Olympic Games,

which is one of the dating criteria, the dates of Solon and the dates of several other

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