Hello and welcome to another ancient warfare magazine podcast.

My name is Jaspa Ortage.

I'm the editor of the magazine.

With me today is a different group of people than you're used to.

But for some of them you're used to.

With me are Murray Dam and Mark McCaffrey.

And we have a guest today, Brett Devereaux.

Hi, Brett.

Nice of you to join us.

We're going to talk today about the introduction of mail as armor in the Roman army, but perhaps we should start by, you know,

you introducing yourself real quick. Right. I'm Brett Devereaux. I am currently an assistant teaching

professor at North Carolina State University.

I'm an ancient historian specializing in the Roman Army of the Middle Republic.

I also have a military history and general pre-modern world blog at a collection of unmitigated

pedantry, ACO-U-P dot law.

Cool.

Now, mail in the Roman Army, I think we've had an article or two about that in the past,

and I think maybe the readers know a little bit of how it works,

but maybe you can kick it back to you again and just sort of tell us real quick,

where does it come from? Where does it go?

So I think first it's worthwhile to talk to definitions. When we're talking about mail,

you know, sometimes we say chain mail. Sometimes you'll see ring mail. Our actual sources just

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