Hello and welcome to episode 216 of Avtoc. I am Ian Petchenik here as always with

Jason Urbanowitz. How's it going Ian?

It's going well Jason. How are you sir?

I'm good. I'm excited about our guest this week.

We have a fantastic show this week. I was so

thrilled to have this particular guest on and I thoroughly enjoyed our

conversation and a little bit later in the show our listeners will get to enjoy that conversation as well.

This week we have and I want to get this title right because it's a great one.

It's a long one.

Business cards are very large. Former National Transportation Safety Board Chair and Current, Executive Director of the Boeing Center for Aviation and Aerospace Safety at Embry-Riddle Aeronautical University and current

member of the Independent Safety Review team for the Federal Aviation Administration, Robert

Sumwalt joins us on the program a little bit later on.

We're talking with Robert about his participation in the FAA's safety review team, but also aviation

safety in general, how things have changed, how they haven't

over the past few years, and where he sees the state of aviation safety in the U.S.

specifically, but more generally as well.

So a really good conversation coming up just a bit later in the show.

But first we have just a bonkers story from the get-go and we have resolution on that particular story.

Jason, did we talk about this...

I don't know if we did. I don't think we did.

Or did we take the decision? I think when it happened, we may have taken the decision.

We intentionally ignore it. To ignore it. But now, now that he's probably going to jail, we can talk about it.

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