Welcome to Current Affairs. My name is Nathan Robinson. I'm the editor-in-chief of Current Affairs magazine.

My guest today is Professor of Ivanovinsky. She is Professor of History

and Coordinator of Latin American Studies at Salem State University, author of books like Central

America's forgotten history, Revolution, Violence and the Roots of Migration. They take our

jobs and 20 other myths about immigration, undocumented, how immigration

became illegal, a history of the Cuban Revolution, and most recently is science enough.

40 critical questions about climate justice, new from Beacon Press.

Professor Tchopsy, thank you so much for joining me.

Thanks for having me on. Well, let's start with

the title question of your book. Is science enough? Your book is a primer on climate change,

climate policy, some of the moral questions around climate change, some of the questions of justice. But I think that's a really, I think that that choice of question is science enough is really interesting, because you sort of begin by saying, well, you know, now that we have the, let's assume we are all agreed on some of the basics of climate science.

There are other books that make the case for the facts of climate change.

People can be terrified by IPCC reports.

But then you say, okay, well, then once we have that baseline of settled science, then more questions arise.

And this is sort of, so you take the science as the baseline and then take us beyond it.

So let me start by asking you, what is, you know, why do you ask, is science enough And what are the kinds of questions that you're interested in this book?

Yeah, I guess I feel like so much of the debate has been gotten derailed by the far right position, the science denialism, that people concerned about climate change have been sort of forced into this debate

where what we're doing is trying to defend the science and say that, yes, climate change is

actually happening and it's actually catastrophic and it's human caused. We've gotten so fixated

on the debate as defined by the right that we've lost

some of the narrative about, okay, so it's so obvious that the science is correct, but we need

to do more than just defend the science because the science is not going to bring us the solutions to climate change.

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