Hi, Gary Stearman.

We have a very special guest today, and his name is Avi Lipkin, everybody knows you from your many visits to prophecy watchers, and I've known you for years and years, and every time I sit down and talk to you, I learn

something. It's just phenomenal. And today, you're going to get to share in one of the conversations

that Avi and I often have, and it's centered around his book, and the book title is Return to Mecca.

Let's do a little historical backgrounding on this book.

You wrote this when?

In 2012.

2012.

What was happening back then?

2012, 2012.

There was a lot of stirring at that time.

Particularly when you look at the Arab crises that were holding forth at that point.

Well, indeed, I don't know if I should mention their names, but there's a couple that lived in Saudi Arabia many, many years, and you know them and I know them.

That's right.

But they really opened my eyes to the realities of the exodus from Egypt,

to what exactly Moses was doing from age 40 to age 80,

according to the Torah, that he was with Jethro, the high priest of Midian, which I claim is Medina. And in

Arabic, the city of Medina is called Jethro. So duh, if you know Arabic. Wow, 2 plus 2 equals

what? Right. Now, Medina is where, for those who might not know the geography? The two holy

cities of Islam are Mecca and Medina.

And to the north of Mecca and Medina is where they proved, my dear friends, they say that the

real Mount Sinai is in northwest Saudi Arabia about 150 miles from Elat, very close to the land of Israel.

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