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The Tikvah Podcast

Avi Helfand on Jewish Life and Law at the Supreme Court

The Tikvah Podcast

Tikvah

Judaism, Politics, Religion & Spirituality, News

4.6620 Ratings

🗓️ 18 November 2021

⏱️ 36 minutes

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Summary

There aren’t enough public schools in Maine. By some estimates, about half of Maine’s school districts don't have the facilities or faculty to educate students who live in them. The state’s solution is to give families who live in such districts money to send their children to another school—either a different public school further away, or a private school. But Maine doesn’t make that funding available to families who choose to send their children to religious schools. In just a few weeks, the U.S. Supreme Court will hear oral arguments in the case of Carson v. Makin, a case that could affect the way that Maine, and the greater United States, deals with the funding of religious schools.

On this week’s podcast, the legal academic Avi Helfand joins Mosaic editor Jonathan Silver to discuss the amicus brief that he filed for this case, and to explore whether Maine is acting in a way that is consistent with the First Amendment's religious freedom protections. This particular case also allows for Helfand to question more fundamental legal heuristics, such as the supposed distinction in American case-law between a legal entity's religious "status," and its "use" of religion.

Musical selections in this podcast are drawn from the Quintet for Clarinet and Strings, op. 31a, composed by Paul Ben-Haim and performed by the ARC Ensemble.

Transcript

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0:00.0

In just a few weeks, the U.S. Supreme Court will hear oral argument in the case of Carson v. Macon.

0:14.0

Here's the background of that case.

0:16.0

The state legislature of Maine requires towns to make suitable provision at their own expense for the support

0:22.8

and maintenance of public schools. Well, that's fine, except that there aren't enough public

0:27.1

schools in Maine. And some estimates are that about half of Maine's school districts do not

0:32.2

themselves have adequate public schooling facilities for their students. Well, that's not necessarily

0:36.8

neglect. I mean, think about it.

0:38.4

It might be that there are very good reasons not to invest in the facilities and infrastructure

0:43.6

of an entire K-12 school system in a sparsely populated district with very few children. Anyway,

0:50.5

Maine has a solution to the problem for the families of children who do live in an area

0:55.1

without public school. The solution is that Maine will provide financial support for families

1:00.6

to send their kids to another school, either a different public school or even a private school.

1:06.2

So what's the problem? The problem is that the state does not make that funding available.

1:10.1

If the family chooses

1:11.3

to send their children to a religious school, or in the language of the state statute,

1:16.4

a sectarian school. So, is Maine acting in a way that is consistent with the two religious

1:21.8

freedom clauses of the Constitution's First Amendment, clauses that, in turn, guarantee a citizen's freedom to exercise

1:28.4

their religion, and that prohibit the state's establishment of a particular religious creed,

1:33.3

or is main, in fact, discriminating against religion in general by allowing these funds for all

1:40.0

but religious schools. Welcome to the Tikva podcast. I'm your host, Jonathan Silver. That is my

1:45.7

back-of-the-envelope summary of the case that the court will hear in early December of 2021.

1:51.3

My guest today is a co-author of an amicus brief filed on behalf of the Orthodox Union in

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