All right, Alexander, let's talk about Avdefka.

Collapsing or collapsed?

What do you think?

Right, that's a very good question.

Or somewhere in the middle.

Because the situation is utterly chaotic.

I think if we have to be objective, it has collapsed in the sense

that there is no, as far as I can see, no real organised defence of this town underway at the

moment. The question is no longer can the Ukrainians hold on to Avdavka. The question is whether they can extract their forces from Avdavka.

And it's clear that they've left it far too late.

And the defence such as it is is not becoming incredibly disorganized.

And in attempts to pull troops out of Avdyevka is becoming all but impossible,

and that Ukrainian troops in Avdegovka are starting to understand this.

In fact, probably they began to understand it yesterday.

And that, you know, we're starting to see essentially a disintegration. In other words, men, soldiers taking

decisions by themselves, trying to cross open fields, being attacked by Russian drones and machine

guns and that kind of thing. Other units abandoning positions. Some people continue to put up resistance

in some places. It looks like communications have completely broken down. And as I said, it's no

longer a case of the Russians gaining overall control of Avdavka. I think that's now a done thing.

It's more a situation, as I said, of trying to decide what to do with these thousands,

perhaps tens of thousands for all we know, of Ukrainian troops who are still there,

and as I said, cut off, essentially surrounded and broken up into various,

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