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🗓️ 15 May 2025
⏱️ 29 minutes
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Autistic people have been thought to all lack empathy by both science and society for decades. But after receiving an extremely low empathy score as part of a recent autism assessment, science journalist Sue Nelson decided to confront these damaging stereotypes and question the experts who work in this area. Sue’s investigation reveals latest research shows the opposite of the commonly held stereotype. Instead of the majority of autistic people having low to no empathy, a trait commonly associated with psychopaths, many autistic people have been shown to have heightened empathy for others. Guests include Professor Simon Baron-Cohen, a pioneer in the field who originated the EQ (Empathy Quotient) test widely used in autism assessments, and a team of autistic researchers investigating the newly recognised phenomenon of autistic ‘hyper-empathy’.
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0:00.0 | Welcome to the documentary from the BBC World Service. I'm Sue Nelson exploring autism, empathy and psychopaths. |
0:13.2 | I want you to listen to a couple of statements and think about whether you agree with them or not. Here's the first. |
0:20.6 | I can easily tell if someone else is interested |
0:22.7 | or bored with what I am saying. And the second. If anyone asked me if I liked their haircut, |
0:29.0 | I would reply truthfully, even if I didn't like it. How did you get on? Personally, I find it hard |
0:36.5 | to tell if someone's bored when I'm talking and would tell the |
0:40.4 | truth about someone's haircut. So what does this say about me? Because these questions are taken |
0:47.2 | from a test used in many countries around the world to measure someone's empathy, which is |
0:53.6 | generally understood to be an ability to |
0:55.8 | understand the feelings of others. It's a standard part of an adult autism assessment, |
1:02.8 | something I did almost five years ago and discovered at the age of 60 that I was autistic. |
1:09.3 | My diagnosis was a big surprise, but the real shock was the result of |
1:14.6 | the empathy test, because out of a possible 80 points, I scored a disturbingly low 6. I refused to |
1:24.7 | believe it at first, and then recalled being told that a friend's dog had died a few months earlier and laughing uncontrollably, although I'm not alone in sometimes responding to situations in an unexpected way. |
1:40.9 | The team thought we'd done a great job at preparing this child to visit very ill grand in |
1:46.3 | hospital and they went to the hospital and the child was perfectly well behaved. And when he got |
1:51.9 | to his gran, he said to her, hello, Gran, when are you going to die? |
2:00.3 | There's a widely accepted belief that autistic people don't have empathy. |
2:05.8 | Worse is the stereotype, commonly repeated in the media, |
2:09.6 | that anyone with little to know empathy is a potential psychopath. |
2:14.6 | People who have this antisocial personality disorder are self-centered, |
2:19.6 | display no empathy or remorse, and are often associated with impulsive, violent behaviour. |
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