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On the Media

Authoritarianism, but Make It Look Normal. Plus, the Family Taking Over American Media.

On the Media

WNYC Studios

Magazine, Brooke_gladstone, Micah_loewinger, Politics, Newspapers, Media, 1st, Advertising, Social Sciences, Studios, Radio, Transparency, Tv, History, Science, News Commentary, Npr, Technology, Amendment, Newspaper, Wnyc, News, Journalism

4.68.7K Ratings

🗓️ 11 October 2025

⏱️ 52 minutes

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Summary

The “Dual State;” and a new media empire.

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0:00.0

Okay, so last month we kicked off a challenge. If we could get 500 listeners to step up and

0:06.2

support on the media with a donation by the end of October, we'd unlock $15,000 from George Hanby,

0:14.2

a retired seventh grade world geography teacher who listens to the show from his home in Castagnero, Italy. Well, to date,

0:24.0

400 of you decided to help. Fabulous. So now we only need the last hundred, you know,

0:30.1

the proud, the strong, the procrastinating. Then we'll meet the challenge, which is a real thing

0:35.8

in case you were wondering, and get the extra 15 grand, which is actually a lot.

0:40.6

Maybe we can buy some stories or pay for travel out of New York, which we used to do some years back,

0:45.9

or most likely and certainly most important, support the show while offering on the media free of charge to the public radio stations hit hardest

0:56.4

by the closure of the Corporation for Public Broadcasting. And to give you an extra incentive,

1:02.6

when you give $12 a month, we'll send you an On the Media hat, a light blue baseball style cap

1:09.7

with the On the Media logo stitched on the front.

1:13.2

So, please go to OnThemedia.org slash donate.

1:17.8

From all of us here at OTP to all of you.

1:21.1

Thank you so much.

1:23.1

Now on with the show.

1:26.6

You look at Portland, and you see fires all over the place. It's so bad. It's so crazy.

1:32.5

A federal judge in Oregon has called Trump's spin on Portland, quote, untethered to the

1:37.7

facts. From WNYC in New York, this is on the media. I'm Michael Lohinger. And I'm Brooke Gladstone. Amid

1:45.1

ice raids, a journalist recalls the Nazis' dual justice system, where there was a compelling

1:50.9

illusion of lawfulness, for some. However, if you were part of a disfavored group, such as

1:59.1

the Jews, you found yourself in a zone of lawlessness.

2:04.0

Plus, meet TikTok investor Larry Ellison and his son David, who just bought Paramount.

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