I think cis people are beginning to understand the way that gender works and their own gender

through ideas that come from a trans lens.

That is Tori Peters. She is the author of the new novel,

Detransition Baby.

If you just go on Twitter and you see memes that are like the two genders and like, you know,

one gender is like a trash can and one's a lamp where it's not, it's not like mail or she's out.

So Tori has noticed this trans lens more and more in the wider culture.

This understanding that gender is not fixed, that it can be performed and presented in many ways.

Gender can be done even through trash cans or lamps or sea captains.

Yeah, you look at something like that fads where like the sea shanty song.

Oh yeah.

One day when the tongue in his tongue will take a leave and go.

What people were really liking was like there was a gender performance in the sea shanty singers,

you know, and it's like you're doing a gender. Your gender is like sea captain or like sailor.

And so doing gender is this thing that's really easy to see everybody doing once you begin to look for it.

You are listening to it's been a minute from NPR.

I'm Sam Sanders and this episode Tori Peters and her new book, Detransition Baby.

That book views a lot through a trans lens.

Tori says that when she writes, her audience in her mind is always other trans women,

like her.

She does not dump things down for cisgender readers like me.

But there are a lot of ways that her book has made trans and cis people alike.

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