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That's spycloud.com slash cyberwire and we thank spy cloud for sponsoring our show. Hello and welcome to an author debriefing from the International Spy Museum.

I'm Dr. Vince Hoat, the Museum's historian and curator.

Here at the museum we get the most interesting authors, including journalists, scholars,

former spies, and intelligence officers coming in to speak with our visitors and

answer questions about their latest works dealing with espionage,

intelligence, and other national security issues.

Please join me in listening to another of our selected hour-long author debriefers.

We're joined today by Dr. Genevieve Lester, who is the author of the new book,

When Should State Secret Stay Secret, Secret accountability, democratic governance, and intelligence?

Dr. Lester is currently a research fellow and lecture at the University of California

Washington Center and a non-resident fellow at the Center for Strategic and International Studies in Washington. California Washington

Center and a non-resident fellow at the Center for Strategic and International Studies in Washington DC.

Recently she was visiting assistant professor in the security studies program

coordinator of intelligence studies and senior fellow at the Center for Security Studies at Georgetown University.

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