You're listening to the CyberWireriefing from the International Spy Museum.

I'm Mark Stout, the Museum's historian.

Here at the Museum we get the most interesting I'm Mark Stout, the museum's historian.

Here at the museum, we get the most interesting authors,

including journalists, scholars, former spies, and intelligence officers

coming in to speak with our visitors and answer questions

about their latest works dealing with espionage, intelligence, and other names. with our

visitors and answer questions about their latest works dealing with espionage intelligence and other national security issues.

Please join me in listening to another of our selected hour-long author debriefings.

Good middle of the day.

Welcome to the International Spy Museum.

I'm Amanda Olke, director of adult education.

Delighted to have you here today. We have a wonderful speaker, Dr Thomas Ridd, is visiting us from London,

so it's a real privilege to have him here. And I was telling him that our museum has been very committed to cyber espionage, cyber security issues for some time.

And our founder, Milton Waltz had had us working on and put into place a very interesting

gallery in our exhibition, Weapons of Mass Disruption disruption talking about infrastructure attacks.

I mean it was very prescient and a number of government officials from the city have visited.

It really was kind of ahead of its time very important people speaking James Woolsey, former DCI.

Really good show and I hope you have a chance to see it, but when I sent around the materials to prepare for this

fall schedule, Milt said to me, everything looks great but you know there's that there's

one program you have and I really the title is cyber war will not take place I'd really like to change that title

And I said we can't do that that's Dr. Rids the topic of his book because

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