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This is Hidden Killers with Tony Bruske. Brian Coburger.

There's, yeah, a lot happening since Judge Hippler said, you know, we got to be a little

more transparent.

And transparent certainly is what we're seeing a lot more of these days.

As the developments continue on, it makes you raise your

eyebrows literally between the Amazon Trail, the criminology case essay that reads kind of like a

how-to guide, and the mysterious disappearance of his phone at just the right moment

prosecutors are laying out what they claim

is a carefully calculated plan. But how much of this sticks in a courtroom? Sounds good on paper,

sounds good on the internet, but how is it going to read to a jury? And how much is just a really

bad coincidence, which I'm going to guess that's going to be the next argument.

Joining us is defense attorney and former prosecutor Eric Fattis. Eric, when a prosecutor say this wasn't just a murder, but a methodical act of forensic evasion, DNA scrubbed, cars,

clean, license plates swapped, and trash ditched at 4 a.m., You know, in little baggies with rubber gloves because that's normal.

How do you begin to kind of push back on this as a defense?

I mean, is that a red flag?

And can it still be explained away these sort of things?

You know, sometimes in a case like this, the defense looks at it and says, hey, my guy

couldn't have done this. He's not some mastermind criminal. He's not smart enough to pull this off,

that kind of thing. But with Koberger, he was a PhD student in criminology. And so if there's

anybody who knows how to methodically go about trying to commit a

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