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Hey, everybody.

We've got a great one today, you know, for a change, Frank Four, who's been with me before

Frank is a friend of mine, and I also believe a national treasure.

One of the founders of Slate, great journalist writes now a lot of cover stories for Atlantic

Monthly, probably did the definitive piece on Manafort a while back.

He's also been very much on the forward edge of talking about these, well, these monopolies

like Google and Amazon and Facebook.

Today that's what we're going to talk about.

He wrote a book, World Without Mind, the existential threat of big,

tacky, wrote this in 2017, very influential book, very influential to me.

I was in the Senate then and basically called for any trust action against those companies.

And Frank and I have had kind of an ongoing discussion on Facebook too.

And today that's what he's talking about.

And he is the most articulate explainer.

And you see how inarticulate I am, did I just say that he's the most articulate explainer?

Wow.

Okay, anyway, he, you're going to really love this.

I'm going to just play now just a little clip from it, which says a lot.

So here, here, this is a clip that you'll hear again later in the show.

I think one of the things that is also at the core of everything we've talked about and

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