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In 1950, at the height of the UFO craze, several scientists at Los Alamos National Laboratory in New Mexico were debating the existence of extraterrestrials when one man in the group exclaimed, where are they?

That man was a physicist known as the architect of the nuclear age in Rico Fermi, and his simple question became known as the Fermi Paradox, which asks, if aliens exist, why haven't they made contact with us?

Now in a new book called Light of the Stars, Alien Worlds and the Fate of the Earth, astrophysicist Adam Frank offers a possible explanation.

He says, we're just one of 10 billion trillion planets in the universe, and it's highly likely that many of those planets hosted technologically advanced alien civilizations.

But each of those civilizations would have faced the same challenge of civilization-driven climate change.

And perhaps the reason we haven't met them is that before they could develop the technology to leave their planet, they destroyed it.

And today, Adam Frank comes on the podcast to explain why he calls humans cosmic teenagers and what we have to learn from the fate of other planets in the universe.

He reveals that climate science holds consistent truths across all planets that have atmospheres, and if we can predict climate change on Mars, we're certainly able to predict climate change here on Earth.

He discusses the three possible outcomes for technologically advanced civilizations, including two that aren't very good, and one that means it may already be too late.

Still, he says humans need to do our best to reverse course and start to think of saving the planet in terms of saving ourselves.

Plus, he talks about the significance of the recent discovery of methane gas on Mars, what it was like working as the science consultant for Marvel's Dr. Strange movie, and why he doesn't like the term alien.

Coming up with astrophysicist Adam Frank in just a moment.

Dr. Adam Frank is a professor of astrophysics at the University of Rochester.

He's a co-founder of NPR's 13.7 Cosmos and Culture blog, and an on-air commentator for all things considered.

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