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The President’s Inbox

Assessing the NATO Summit, With Ivo H. Daalder

The President’s Inbox

Council on Foreign Relations

Politics, News:politics, News

4.5698 Ratings

🗓️ 18 July 2023

⏱️ 30 minutes

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Summary

Ivo H. Daalder, the chief executive of the Chicago Council on Global Affairs and former U.S. ambassador to the North Atlantic Treaty Organization (NATO), sits down with James M. Lindsay to discuss the decisions reached at the NATO summit in Vilnius, Lithuania.    Mentioned on the Podcast   Ivo H. Daalder, “How to Ensure a Strong, Independent Ukraine,” Politico   Ivo H. Daalder, Jaap de Hoop Scheffer, and Stefano Stefanini, “Ex-NATO Leaders: Alliance Must Invite Ukraine in Next Year,” Semafor   Ivo H. Daalder and James M. Lindsay, “The West Holds Firm,” Foreign Affairs   Ivo H. Daalder and James M. Lindsay, “Why Putin Underestimated the West,” Foreign Affairs   Maggie Haberman, Charlie Savage, and Jonathan Swan, “Trump and Allies Forge Plans to Increase Presidential Power in 2025,” New York Times   “Vilnius Summit Communiqué,” North Atlantic Treaty Organization For an episode transcript and show notes, visit us at: https://www.cfr.org/podcasts/assessing-nato-summit-ivo-h-daalder

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0:00.0

Welcome to the President's Inbox, a CFR podcast about the foreign policy challenges facing the United States.

0:09.4

I'm Jim Lindsay, Director of Studies at the Council on Foreign Relations.

0:13.3

This week's topic is assessing the NATO summit.

0:30.1

With me to discuss the decisions reached at last week's two-day meeting of NATO countries in Vilnius, Lithuania, is Ambassador Evo Dahlder.

0:35.2

Evo is the chief executive of the Chicago Council on Global Affairs.

0:41.0

From 2013 to earlier this year, he was the Chicago Council's president.

0:47.4

From 2009 to 2013, he served as the U.S. ambassador to NATO.

0:57.1

Evo has written widely and well not just on NATO, but on U.S. foreign policy, European security, transatlantic relations,

1:03.1

and national security affairs generally. His most recent article written for Politico is how to ensure a strong, independent Ukraine. And also, in the interest of full disclosure,

1:10.2

I will note that Evo and I have been friends

1:12.7

for three decades, and we have often written together. With that introduction, Evo, thank you

1:19.6

for joining me. Jim, it's always a pleasure to be on the show. So, Evo, let's begin with

1:24.8

the big picture. The NATO summit wrapped up last Wednesday.

1:30.1

Was it a success, a failure, or something in between?

1:35.3

It was a success. It's very hard to see that it was anything but that.

1:40.2

Think about the three audiences that really were the main purpose for this summit.

1:46.2

First, of course, the members of NATO themselves.

1:49.6

And with that regard, they came together united, demonstrating that whatever differences they may have, both domestically and among them, are overwhelmed by the need to be united when it comes

2:02.7

to confronting the threats that they face. We saw that Turkish president Erdogan came to the

2:08.5

summit a day early to lift one of the sticking points, Sweden's entry into NATO, and say,

2:15.2

you know what, I'm no longer going to block that. And that was one of the

2:19.0

indicators that everybody understood that being united was important. Similarly, they came together

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