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Amanpour

Assessing the Legacy of Pope Francis

Amanpour

CNN

News

4.2 • 929 Ratings

🗓️ 23 April 2025

⏱️ 54 minutes

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Summary

First: We take a look at the Pope’s legacy and future of the Church with Ireland’s former president and canon lawyer Mary McAleese.  Next: As President Trump’s tariff and economic policies cause market ructions, how should the Democrats respond? Christiane puts this to President Obama’s former top strategist David Axelrod.  Then: Is the campus crackdown by the Trump administration really about tackling antisemitism? Rabbi Sharon Brouse doesn’t think so – she joins the show to explain.    Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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0:00.0

Hello everyone and welcome to Amunpur. Here's what's coming up.

0:08.0

Mourners from around the world pay respects to Pope Francis, who's now lying in state at St. Peter's Basilica at the Vatican.

0:16.0

The former Irish President, Mary McAleese, on the importance of continuing Francis's church reforms

0:22.8

and her own personal fight for progress. Plus, Trump does another U-turn to calm markets and people

0:29.9

spooked by his trade war. Former Obama advisor David Axelrod here in London is getting an earful

0:36.7

wherever he goes.

0:38.3

Then, Pope Francis' extraordinary relationship with a small church inside Gaza.

0:44.3

Jeremy Diamond reports on the daily phone calls that kept up wartime morale.

0:49.3

Plus, Trump's fight against anti-Semitism has become fraught for many Jews.

0:55.0

Those are the words of Rabbi Sharon Browse, who joins me to discuss America's crackdown on higher education. Welcome to the program, everyone, I'm Christian Amunpur in London.

1:25.6

Pope Francis will now lie in

1:28.1

state at St. Peter's Basilica until his funeral on Saturday. Crowds of flocking to pay their respects,

1:34.3

and this marks a pivotal moment for the Catholic Church to continue Pope Francis reforms or revert to strict pre-Francist

1:42.1

traditionalism. U.S. President Donald Trump says he and the First Lady will go to the funeral announcing,

1:48.2

we look forward to being there.

1:49.8

The event may become more than just a farewell to the Pope,

1:53.4

as assembled world leaders have a lot to discuss with the U.S. President.

1:57.7

Trump's strongman-winner-take-all attitude is in stark contrast, of course, to Pope Francis,

2:02.5

who was driven by compassion for the weakest, the poorest, the most vulnerable in society.

2:08.5

And he is a native of Argentina. He's ordered seven days of mourning following the pontiff's

2:14.9

passing. That is, the president of Argentina has done that. CNN's David Culver is there touring through the Pope's childhood neighborhood

2:22.3

and speaking to some of his longtime friends.

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