Asia's Most Dangerous AI Crime Lords: Are Digital Scam Networks the New Face of Organized Crime?

Change Agents with Andy Stumpf

IRONCLAD

Society & Culture

4.8 • 607 Ratings

🗓️ 16 April 2025

⏱️ 66 minutes

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On today’s episode, Andy welcomes back investigative journalists Nathan Paul Southern and Lindsey Kennedy for a follow-up conversation on the rise of scam compounds in Southeast Asia. Nathan and Lindsey, involved with The Eyewitness Project, expose how these criminal networks exploit vulnerable people, launder money through legitimate industries like sports sponsorships, and use technology—including AI—to evolve their tactics. Together, they break down the global web of organized crime and corruption, the human cost behind the scams, and why empathy, awareness, and coordinated action are more important than ever. Subscribe on Apple Podcasts: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/change-agents-with-andy-stumpf/id1677415740 Subscribe on Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/3SKmtN55V2AGbzHDo34DHI?si=5aefbba9abc844ed Change Agents is an IRONCLAD Original Watch Change Agents: Black Project, a 4 part mini series, weekly on Tuesdays or Binge all 4 episodes of now by becoming a member on Youtube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCmK3k1U3D3fqPZWcnAaa-Vg/join. Sponsors: Firecracker Farm Use code IRONCLAD to get 15% off your first order at https://firecracker.farm/ MTNTOUGH Go to ⁠https://mtntough.com⁠ and enter code CHANGEAGENTS to receive 40% OFF - a savings of about $100 off your MTNTOUGH+ annual subscription. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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0:00.0	I think that there's no real interest from any significant state party to stop this.
0:10.5	The ones that actually do the most are also the ones who probably enable the most, which is China.
0:15.7	And China has ongoing relationships with criminal figures.
0:19.5	It sounds like a conspiracy theory,
0:21.7	but it is just essentially an actual political reality.
0:27.2	How can I help?
0:28.5	How can I be useful in ending needless suffering?
0:32.0	Do not be afraid of work that has no end.
0:37.3	We have to organize a social movement. Yeah. work that has no end.
0:39.9	We have to organize a social movement.
0:46.8	We have an opportunity to lead, by example, versus just talking, hot air.
0:52.6	I think the more people on this fight, the more we grow, eventually it could change.
0:54.6	The people are the ones that can make the change.
1:01.7	Ladies and gentlemen, welcome back to change agents in Ironclad Original, presented by Firecracker Farm.
1:05.4	My guests today are Lindsay Kennedy and Nathan Paul Southern.
1:08.9	This episode is a follow-up to the last time
1:10.7	that Nathan and
1:11.3	Lindsay were on the show. The first time that they were on, we talked about largely cyber
1:15.6	slavery and what is called a pig-butchering scam run by organized crime in groups in Cambodia,
1:23.1	Laos, in Myanmar. Cyber slavery is a growing form of human trafficking where victims are lured by fake job ads.
1:29.7	Then they are trafficked to scam compounds in Southeast Asia and forced into online fraud
1:34.1	under threat of torture or sale. Today we're going to continue our conversation when it comes
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